The Water Fuel Cell

[longcat]

i still do not get it. why should a opposing bifilar coil inhibit amps and increase voltage?

V = - L di/dt

so i got a bigger voltage spike when i have a higher inductivity, with opposing voltage fields you are nulling out the inductivity, even tesla's bifilar isn't wound the opposing way.


if the pancake coil was wound opposing the inner ends of the cable would connect. and it's said to get a high voltage potential with this style of bifilar winding.



the only thing i could think of winding a coil opposing are the special pulsed dc spikes used and the delay with the capacitor in between the coils. maybe somebody can explain.

[dankie]

The inductors are wound in phase as shown in Meyers drawings . This inhibits amp flow since there is no gradient across the cell thus no amp flow , no voltage either .

Its this opposing electrical stress that causes ''particle oscillation'' aka resonant action .

The coils are not true pancakes , there is a few wires wide in each cavity .

As you may have guessed , 2curious4wfc has replicated Meyers successfully and has abandonned us .

Here is a pm from him , I asked him a question once .



don't get me wrong, but can you please cut down on the PM a little bit as I have no time left for other things.
Thanks.

TWO, resonances, yes. An electrical one, used to achieve high voltage with little effort.

And an acoustical one (or mechanical if you will), eg. oscillation of particles.(the nucleus and electrons of the atoms)

Yes, it does makes things more complex, that's why many seem to have trouble. This SM
WFC is not a joke, it is quite cutting edge. Too much for most.



my question to him : I'm not really sure what Stan means anymore by *negative voltages* , could this possibly be 2 opposite currents colliding inside the cell , or does this just mean more potential difference like a house +120 and -120 = 240 volt difference Huh Maybe this circuit have bipolar currents of same time phase and equal intensity , Plz have a look at this quote ....


Right, you got it. Two equal AND opposite voltages (or minor currents if you will) with respect to
a virtual ground, as per SM quote.

Yes, they arrive at the same time in the cell. So particles (or molecules if you will are been stressed
equally from each electrode).





So your example is not quite right !!! Correct it would be: +120V + -120V = 0V

So, look at figure 10-5. See it now ? See how he shows a mirror image of the positive waveform vs. the negative waveform and in the center line exactly zero ?

[dankie]

During my year of study I have come up with the same exact conclusion as these people . After reading up on the avramenko plug and single wire transmission is became clear to me that this was the key to Meyers . Single wire transmission like this , 2 opposing and equal pressures and ticlke a dielectric material , this causes some sort of displacement potential , this is then picked up and transformed into real useable power . It is a totally new form of elecricity with no losses .

This is the only thing that makes sense , as we know Meyers had this coils wound in phase , when a coil is as Meyers shows it in the diagrams it cancels its current , if you were to put a load between both chokes there would be no current flow .

Plz read the following posts of these peolle as I find them extremely relevant .

Theres a guy named Mike on page 69 of this thread , and demartin`s posts on page 67 , see all posts of Hdemartin as they are excellent .

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079.680

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3079.660

[dllabarre]

Neither link above is working for me at this time.
Can you verify they're still good?

Thanks

DonL

[dllabarre]

Take that back....

[burntwire]

I found the link http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=870 very useful.
Any I've built my first VIC with some off the shelf parts I had in the shop. For one to get a feel of how the assembly and winding would go. I figured try with scraps before stuff that cost real money.
I believe I've met with some success but by no means a finished product.
I have succeeded in a second pulse (so I think) however my wave form is not the perfect wave form shown in Stan's tech so a few comments on what I may have screwed up would be appreciated. The output wave is centered at zero. In this image the first +peak is 195Volts the second +Peak is 70Volts. Next notice the two -Peaks at -100Volt. I expected the diode to nuke these. If I need to provide additional details just ask thanks!

This design successfully blows up caps rated at 17volts after only a minute or two!

VIC 1.0 some details
Primary 24AWG 2.2 Ohms about 120 turns
Secondary 36AWG 250 Ohms about (lost count) Hence the trial run. I'm adding a counter to my lathe this weekend to fix that issue.
Bifilar 36AWG 200 Ohm (the most the core I had on hand would hold)

Both the signals input pulse wave and output of VIC measured after the Diode.
The Frequency is the output wave.

Here's the VIC show assembled and partially assembled show with one core out

Comments are appreciated good or bad

[kunadude]

In regards to myers bifilar choke. Several ppl have possibly missed
Some of the text of myers explanations on the designs and usage of
These coils connected to his cell. Please don't simply look at the pictures
And diagrams and go off and running building a wfc. Myers used several
Variations and he goes into detail explaining it in his briefs and lectures
That are available. I strongly recommend anyone interested in this even
If you doubt it to try as a hobby experiment if nothing else. A lab project.
Based upon reading all his material briefs and supporting text of the patents.
Forget the pictures for a momment.
In one version myers shows two chokes connected to the celll, each coil is
Separately a bifilar 2wire coil. These are series connected bifilar non-opposed
Coils. One on each side of the cell. Another version he talks about clearly in
The text, is a single bifilar coil again aiding field. Not opposed as ppl think.
The cell simply interconnects between them is all. Each winding of the bifilar
Constitutes eac of the chokes depicted in the illustration.
To make matters more confusing. Yes he shows bifilars illustratively in
Opposed field examples. He clrearly indicates thruought his material that he
Tried various schemes. All worked but with varying results.
The opposed field bifilar coil crowd of ppl simply refuse to investigate this or
Re-examine what the text language describes about the bifilars. Its explicity
Clear in the text descriptions that he uses non-opposed bifilars. Why the pics
Then? Who knows. Maybe a distraction for all the ppl now doing it that way..
A good proof that it worked. NON-OPPOSED BIFILAR is the correct way. Sure
It still functions. But so does 24v 60hz half rectified into a simple transformer
Connected to the cell. Not very efficient but it works. I would say to those ardent
In using opposed choke to at least connect it to a stepped up secondary coil, in
Order to raise the voltage hitting the coil first.
That's pulse dc or half rectified power driving the cell in case some new hasn't
Been told. Myers also describes very clear and couldn't be more clear that he used
HV ac alternating. Fields and not a unipolar charge in one embodiment

[itzon]

kunadude,

I think your correct.

I have yet to confirm, but I think if you break the VIC down to its basic
function, it is transformer with a bandstop filter inside it with the injector,
or water cell as a minor exterior capacitance. The bifilar resonant coil inside the
transformer provides the majority of the capacitance.

Itzon

[Toborg]