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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Water Fuel Cell Reply with quote

I am going to stick with this type of design and probably create a PVC housing for it, because it is cheap and easy to get. Meyer's uses Delrin on his cell for his housing(figure 3-25 page 84) that is exactly what I am going for(KISS).

The blue thing in the middle of the cell is just a wire nut that I used to plug the center tube to force the incoming water to go in between the coaxial tubes. As you can see, I made this cell so I can regulate and feed the incoming water with a garden hose.



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stevie1001



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice pic Crux,

I have a similar 4 stroke engine of around 5Bhp. I had it run for 10 sec on hydrogen yet.
I forgot a bubbler at that time and blew up of the top of my WFC.......and hurt my face as well a bit.
I also use my motorbike of 600cc 4-stroke for testing purposes.
In time I will make some pics of it as well.
The motorbike liked very much the adding of the hydrogen, but at that time I wasnt producing enough for it to run it 100% on hydrogen.
Yes, thats the end-goal of my project.

I also like yr idea of using the outer RVSpipe as housing. As far as my test results show, it will end up as this moment with 1 bifilair choke per pipe. I think I have the same results as RAVI and made the same conclusion, sofar.

Keep on going the good work.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aaron,

Your Water capacitor is very small,
Is that to make a good and tight
Capacitor? So that the inductors
Don’t have to be too big to match?

I am going to use a lawnmower engine,
four stroke, Not to big.

Nice pictures, could you later post some
pictures of your latest Bifilar chokes?

I am in the process of winding my chokes,
will post some pictures when I am done!

Thank you, Pulsed.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do not need a bubbler if you reduce the size of your cell configuration and make the nozzle of the taper cavity with a 0.010 wide opening. See page 7-1, 2nd paragraph last three lines as compared to page 6-6 figure 6-2 and page 7-22 figure 7-12 (B), See page 7-8 2nd paragraph.
Read chapter 6 pay attention to the 2nd paragraph.
Reduction of cap size will require SS magnet wire for RC according to documentation I will provide direct quote at later date.

Hope this helps for now.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of my wfc for testing the VIC.

Machined PVC to make a tight fit about 1 inch deep outer housing for the 2 inch tall 304SS .75 inch i.d. outer tube and drilled a hole perfectly centered all the way through to make a tight fit for the 5 inch tall 304SS .5 inch o.d. rod. I made my electrical connection by just connecting alligator clips to the rod from the bottom and used some 304SS wire to make a good connection on the outer tube.

I do not recommend using this gap size .25 inch because it did not produce as much gas as my 0.0625 inch gap cell. 0.0625 inch gap seems to be the best so far.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaron, you smart ass!

Thats really nice to see. A perfect watercapacitor. No electrical leakings.

Well done man.

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crux_wfc



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevie1001 wrote:
Aaron, you smart ass!

Thats really nice to see. A perfect watercapacitor. No electrical leakings.

Well done man.

br
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi crux,

I don't understand, what is the purpose for the heavy PVC material. Is it to serve as a base or stand ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2curious4WFC wrote:
Hi crux,

I don't understand, what is the purpose for the heavy PVC material. Is it to serve as a base or stand ?

Thanks


It severs as a base and as an electrical insulator. The PVC should and will eventually surround the whole cell.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Regulating water for resonant cavity Reply with quote

Hi Crux, I used a conventional fuel injector with my pulse circuit today to regulate delivery of water kind of like the Pulse Gate Valve shown in figure 4-1 in the SMTB. I made a video of the setup to help visualize the amount of water to convert instantly into GTNT as seen in Memo WFC425 in figure 6-2.... if drawn to scale, the active area of a taper resonant cavity would be very small - less than an inch in waveguide length and small enough to fit into a spark plug hole. Have you experimented with these smaller (and higher voltage) cell arrangements ?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Re: Regulating water for resonant cavity Reply with quote

hydro4f3a wrote:
Hi Crux, I used a conventional fuel injector with my pulse circuit today to regulate delivery of water kind of like the Pulse Gate Valve shown in figure 4-1 in the SMTB. I made a video of the setup to help visualize the amount of water to convert instantly into GTNT as seen in Memo WFC425 in figure 6-2.... if drawn to scale, the active area of a taper resonant cavity would be very small - less than an inch in waveguide length and small enough to fit into a spark plug hole. Have you experimented with these smaller (and higher voltage) cell arrangements ?


Hey, I have a cell that is about 1/4 inch tall, outer tube inside diameter 1/2 inch, inner tube was machined to make a gap of around .010 inch gap, but I have not been concentrating on making instant explosion of water. I was able to make it produce some gas pretty quickly, but didn't spend to much effort on it yet. I'm trying to get the gas production process down first.

I didn't use a high enough voltage VIC to get anywhere near thermal explosive energy. Maybe someday.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three questions for Crux...

1. In the image below, I made an image to somewhat resemble what I see in the picture. Do you keep constant water pressure on your WFC, or do you simply allow so much water in and then shut it off. I didn't know if keeping the spacing at the gas exit portion of the cell would keep water from getting into the gas lines. This idea is so simple, it is genius. I hope to replicate a cell like this.

2. On your engine, are you connecting the gas line where the fuel injection was, or are you simply mixing the hydrogen into the air intake (like a smack) and then leaning out the gasoline?

3. How long have you managed to run that engine off of any of your projects? After looking around the forums for about three months, you seem to be the closest to a true SM WFC replication.



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